regolazione fase motore cinghia distribuzione ,valore torsion

**alex audi** · 04-06-2012, 02:28

ragazzi tempo fa da quando ho fatto la distribuzione l'auto mi sembra diversa,e sembra che i consumi di carburante siano maggiori,ma poi mi sono abituato forse mi sbagliavo comunque fino ad oggi sono stato sempre con il dubbio che l'auto non e regolarmente in fase!
facendo una ricerca su google ho visto che si può controllare la fase anche con il vag com,ovviamente in engine poi si va su measuring blocks e si va nel gruppo 4!http://www.myturbodiesel.com/1000q/m...t-Idle-TDI.htm
in pratica leggendo questa guida il valore torsion dovrebbe stare a 0,5.
controllando la mia si trova a -2,0,cioè il motore e in ritardo come stanno i fatti?
a quanto punto non mi sono sbagliato che la macchina la sento diversa?comunque sono passati 2 anni da quando ho fatto la distribuzione ma soltanto adesso sto capendo un pochettino la situazione!
spero che qualcuno mi da qualche consiglio,grazie a tutti in anticipo!

**albykokki** · 04-06-2012, 08:36

Ciao,io non me intendo molto di meccanica, però ti posso dire che la fase è molto importante, ho sentito di alcuni che proprio come te hanno sentito cambiamenti di prestazioni e consumi a volte anche molto elevati... io una controllata la farei, non so sia o possa diventare un problema per il motote lavorare fuori fase...

**alex audi** · 04-06-2012, 09:56

devo vedere come fare,e un lavori di pochi minuti ma non voglio metterci le mani!
ma non saprei a chi affidarmi,anche perchè mi diranno e tutto ok ma invece da come ho capita non deve essere cosi!

**loschiaffo** · 04-06-2012, 12:06

ciao. allego qui sotto i valori "basic setting" della centralina engine del motore TDI 2.0, con il range di valori ammessi.
il range di torsion e' specificato da -6 a +6, quindi il valore -2 di alex audi mi pare corretto.
attenzione, se il motore e' di una serie diversa dal mio, la tabella qui sotto probabilmente non vale...

ogni blocco e' identificato con le prime 3 cifre e la descrizione in inglese. e poi viene specificato 1, 2, 3, 4, che sono i valori riportati nelle 4 finestrelle del vag, in orizzontale.

measuring blocks & basic setting - STG engine - tdi 2.0

001,0,Injection Quantity
001,1,Engine Speed,(G28),Specification (Idle): 810...940 RPM\nSpecification (Full Load): 2800...3200 RPM
001,2,Injection Quantity,,Specification (Idle): 3.0...9.0 mg/Str.\nSpecification (Full Load): 50.0...60.0 mg/Str.
001,3,Injection Duration,(specified),Specification (Idle): 3.0...9.0 °CF\nSpecification (Full Load): 20.0...25.0 °CF
001,4,Coolant,Temperature (G62),Range: -40.5...+135.0 °C\nSpecification (Warm): 80.0...110.0 °C
;
002,0,Idle Speed
002,1,Engine Speed,(G28),Specification (Idle): 810...940 RPM\nSpecification (Full Load): 2800...3200 RPM
002,2,Accel. Pedal Pos.,Sensor 1 (G79),Range: 0.0...100.0 %\nSpecification (Idle): 0.0 %\nSpecification (Full Load): 100.0 %
002,3,Operation Status,,See Label File
; xxxxxxx1 = Climate Control ON
; xxxx1xxx = Idle Switch closed
; xxx1xxxx = Kick-Down (only Automatic Transmission)
; x1xxxxxx = Idle Speed raised
002,4,Coolant,Temperature (G62),Range: -40.5...+135.0 °C\nSpecification (Warm): 80.0...110.0 °C
;
003,0,Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR)
003,1,Engine Speed,(G28),Specification (Idle): 810...940 RPM\nSpecification (Full Load): 2800...3200 RPM
003,2,Exhaust Gas,Recirculat. (spec.),Specification (Idle): 200.0...280.0 mg/Str.\nSpecification (Full Load): 800.0...950.0 mg/Str.
003,3,Exhaust Gas,Recirculat. (actual),Specification (Idle): 180.0...300.0 mg/Str.\nSpecification (Full Load): 800.0...1100.0 mg/Hub
003,4,Exhaust Gas,Recirc. Duty Cycle,Specification (Idle): 20.0...70.0 %\nSpecification (Full Load): 90.0...100.0 %
;
B003,0,Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR)
; Ignition ON, Engine ON (Idling)
; Activate Basic Setting
; Press and Hold both Brake Pedal and Gas Pedal
; Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) is alternately switched on and off
; The Deviation between "EGR ON" and "EGR OFF" must at least be 100.0 mg/Str.
B003,1,Engine Speed,(G28),Specification (Idle): 810...940 RPM\nSpecification (Basic Setting): 1350...1450 RPM
B003,2,Exhaust Gas,Recirculat. (spec.)
B003,3,Exhaust Gas,Recirculat. (actual),Specification (inactive): 410.0...600.0 mg/Str.\nSpecification (active): 200.0...400.0 mg/Str.\nDeviation (active/inactive): min. 100.0 mg/Str.
B003,4,Exhaust Gas,Recirc. Duty Cycle,Specification (inactive): 60.0...70.0 %\nSpecification (active): 30.0...40.0 %
;
004,0,Pump-Jet Valves
004,1,Engine Speed,(G28),Specification (Idle): 810...940 RPM\nSpecification (Full Load): 2800...3200 RPM
004,2,Injection Start,(specified),Specification (Idle): 4.0 °v.OT ... 2.0 °n.OT\nSpecification (Full Load): 13.0...25.0 °v.OT
004,3,Injection Duration,(specified),Specification (Idle): 3.0...9.0 °CF\nSpecification (Full Load): 20.0...25.0 °CF
004,4,Torsion Value,,Specification: -6...+6 °CF
;
005,0,Start Conditions (last Engine Start)
005,1,Engine Speed,(G28),Specification (Idle): 810...940 RPM\nSpecification (Full Load): 2800...3200 RPM
005,2,Start Injection,Quantity,Specification: 7.0...19.0 mg/Str.
005,3,Start,Synchronisation,See Label File
; Interim Values are the Sum of the individual Values.
; 001 = Self Synchronisation Camshaft active
; 002 = Self Synchronisation Crankshaft active
; 004 = Engine running
; 008 = Engine Synchronisation validated
; 016 = Engine Synchronisation successful
; 032 = Self Synchronisation Camshaft-Sensor successful
; 064 = Self Synchronisation Crankshaft-Sensor successful
; 128 = First valid Tooth recognized
005,4,Coolant,Temperature (G62),Range: -40.5...+135.0 °C\nSpecification (Warm): 80.0...110.0 °C
;
006,0,Cruise Control System (CCS)
006,1,Vehicle Speed,(actual)
006,2,Pedal Monitoring,,See Label File
; xxxxxxx1 = Brake Light Switch operated
; xxxxxx1x = Brake Pedal Switch operated
; xxxxx1xx = Clutch Pedal Switch operated
; xxxx1xxx = CCS enabled
; xxx1xxxx = ACC enabled
; xx1xxxxx = Main Switch
; 00xxxxxx = ACC/CCS Mode not active
; 10xxxxxx = Status override
; 01xxxxxx = ACC/GRA active
; 11xxxxxx = ACC blocked
006,3,Accel. Pedal Pos.,Sensor 1 (G79),Range: 0.0...100.0 %
006,4,Switch Monitoring,,See Label File
; xxxxxxx? = Stuck ON
; xxxxxx?x = Pressed OFF
; xxxxx?xx = Decelerate (-)
; xxxx?xxx = Accelerate (+)
; xxx?xxxx = Set (SET)
; xx?xxxxx = Resume (RESET)
; ?xxxxxxx = Stuck ON (Hardware)
;
007,0,Temperatures
007,1,Fuel Temperature,(G81),Specification (Cold): ca. Ambient Temperature
007,3,Intake Air,Temperature (G72),Specification (Cold): ca. Ambient Temperature
007,4,Coolant,Temperature (G62),Range: -40.5...+135.0 °C\nSpecification (Cold): ca. Ambient Temperature
;
008,0,Injection Quantity Limitation I (Torque Limitation)
008,1,Engine Speed,(G28),Specification (Idle): 810...940 RPM\nSpecification (Full Load): 2800...3200 RPM
008,2,Torque Request,(Driver),Specification (Idle): -5.0...0.0 Nm\nSpecification (Full Load): 350.0...420.0 Nm
008,3,Torque Limitation,,Specification (Idle): 100.0...200.0 Nm\nSpecification (Full Load): 350.0...420.0 Nm
008,4,Smoke Limitation,,Specification (Idle): 100.0...200.0 Nm\nSpecification (Full Load): 350.0...420.0 Nm
;
009,0,Injection Quantity Limitation II (Torque Limitation)
009,1,Engine Speed,(G28),Specification (Idle): 810...940 RPM\nSpecification (Full Load): 2800...3200 RPM
009,2,Torque Request,(Cruise Control)
009,3,Transmission,Limitiation
009,4,Torque Restriction
;
010,0,Charge Pressure Control
010,1,Mass Air Flow,(actual),Specification (Idle): 180.0...300.0 mg/Str.\nSpecification (Full Load): 800.0...1100.0 mg/Str.
010,2,Atmospheric,Pressure,Specification: 900.0...1100.0 mbar
010,3,Boost Pressure,(actual),Specification (Idle): 900.0...1150.0 mbar\nSpecification (Full Load): 2000.0...2500.0 mbar
010,4,Accel. Pedal Pos.,Sensor 1 (G79),Specification (Idle): 0.0 %\nSpecification (Full Load): 100.0 %
;
011,0,Charge Pressure Control
011,1,Engine Speed,(G28),Specification (Idle): 810...940 RPM\nSpecification (Full Load): 2800...3200 RPM
011,2,Boost Pressure,(specified),Specification (Idle): 900.0...1150.0 mbar\nSpecification (Full Load): 2100.0...2400.0 mbar
011,3,Boost Pressure,(actual),Specification (Idle): 900.0...1150.0 mbar\nSpecification (Full Load): 2000.0...2500.0 mbar
011,4,Charge Pressure,Control Duty Cycle,Specification (Idle): 40.0...90.0 %\nSpecification (Full Load): 20.0...80.0 %
;
B011,0,Charge Pressure Control
; Ignition ON, Engine ON (Idling)
; Activate Basic Setting
; Press and Hold both Brake Pedal and Gas Pedal
; Charge Pressure Control is alternately switched on and off
; The Deviation between "active" and "inactive" must at least be 80.0 mbar
B011,1,Engine Speed,(G28),Specification (Idle): 810...940 RPM
B011,2,Charge Pressure,Control Status,Range: ON/OFF
B011,3,Boost Pressure,(actual),Deviation (active/inactive): min. 80.0 mbar
B011,4,Charge Pressure,Control Duty Cycle,Specification (inactive): 0.0...10.0 %\nSpecification (active): 90.0...100.0 %
;
012,0,Glow Plugs
012,1,Glow Status,,See Label File
; 00000000 = Waiting for Coolant Temperature
; 00000001 = Waiting for ECO Start Request
; 00010000 = Pre-Glow
; 01010000 = No Pre-Glow
; 10110000 = Post-Glow
; 11000000 = No Post-Glow
; 11110000 = Interim Glow
; 00110000 = Readiness Glowing
; 01110000 = Glow Start
; 10110001 = Waiting for Post-Glow
; 11010000 = No Post-Glow
; 11110001 = Waiting for Interim Glow
; 11111111 = Glowing OFF
012,2,Pre-Glow Period
012,3,Supply Voltage,(Terminal 30),Specification: 13.0...15.0 V
012,4,Coolant,Temperature (G62),Range: -40.5...+135.0 °C\nSpecification (Warm): 80.0...110.0 °C
;
013,0,Idle Stabilization (Injection Quantity Deviation)
013,1,Injection Quantity,Deviation Cyl. 1,Specification (Idle): -2.8...+2.8 mg/Str.
013,2,Injection Quantity,Deviation Cyl. 2,Specification (Idle): -2.8...+2.8 mg/Str.
013,3,Injection Quantity,Deviation Cyl. 3,Specification (Idle): -2.8...+2.8 mg/Str.
013,4,Injection Quantity,Deviation Cyl. 4,Specification (Idle): -2.8...+2.8 mg/Str.
;
015,0,Fuel Consumption
015,1,Engine Speed,(G28),Specification (Idle): 810...940 RPM\nSpecification (Full Load): 2800...3200 RPM
015,2,Engine Torque,,Specification (Idle): 25.0...60.0 Nm
015,3,Fuel Consumption
015,4,Torque Request,(Driver),Specification (Idle): -5.0...0.0 Nm
;
016,0,Auxiliary Heating
016,1,Generator Load,,Specification: 5.0...95.0 %
016,4,Supply Voltage,(Terminal 30),Specification: 13.0...15.0 V
;
017,0,Readiness Code (EOBD)
017,1,CARB,Mode 01 DATA A,See Label File
; x---0000 = No Fault Codes stored
; 0---xxxx = MIL OFF
; 1---xxxx = MIL ON
017,2,CARB,Mode 01 DATA B,See Label File
; -xxx-xx1 = Activation Misfire Recognition OIN
; -xxx-x1x = Activation Fuel Supply System ON
; -xxx-1xx = Activation Comprehensive Components ON
; -xxx-xxx = EOBD-Test Misfire Recognition finished
; -x0x-xxx = EOBD-Test Fuel Supply System finished
; -0xx-xxx = EOBD-Test Comprehensive Components finished
017,3,CARB,Mode 01 DATA C,See Label File
; xx1----- = Activation Oxygen/Lambda Sensor ON
; x1x----- = Activation Oxygen/Lambda Sensor Heating ON
; 1xx----- = Activation Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) ON
017,4,CARB,Mode 01 DATA D,See Label File
; xx0----- = EOBD-Test Oxygen/Lambda Sensor finished
; x0x----- = EOBD-Test Oxygen/Lambda Sensor Heating finished
; 0xx----- = EOBD-Test Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) finished
;
018,0,Injector Status
; 000 = No Faults detected
; 002 = Control while Starting
; 004 = Small Injection Quantity or Injector faulty
; 008 = Maximum Current reached
; 016 = Begin of Injection Period (BIP) out of Specification
; 032 = Samples too low
; 064 = Conversion Error
; 128 = Begin of Injection Period (BIP) not possible
018,1,Injector Status,Cylinder 1,Specification: 0 (See Label File)
018,2,Injector Status,Cylinder 2,Specification: 0 (See Label File)
018,3,Injector Status,Cylinder 3,Specification: 0 (See Label File)
018,4,Injector Status,Cylinder 4,Specification: 0 (See Label File)
;
020,0,Injection Quantity Limitation (from ABS)
020,1,Engine Speed,(G28),Specification (Idle): 810...940 RPM\nSpecification (Full Load): 2800...3200 RPM
020,2,Engine Torque
020,3,ASR Limitation
020,4,MSR Limitation
;
021,0,CAN-Databus Status (Powertrain)
021,1,Engine Electronics
021,2,Transmission,Electronics
021,3,Brake Electronics
021,4,Brake Electronics,(ESP)
;
022,0,Shut-Off Status
022,1,Shut-Off Status,Cruise Control
022,2,Switch Monitoring,Cruise Control,See Label File
; 000 = Neutral
; 001 = OFF (Switched)
; 002 = OFF (Tipped)
; 003 = SET (CCS ON)
; 004 = Tip Down
; 005 = Deceleration (-)
; 006 = RESUME/RESET
; 007 = Tip Up
; 008 = Acceleration (+)
022,3,Shut-Off Status,Charge Pressure,See Label File
; 001 = Cold Start
; 002 = System Malfunction
; 004 = Control Deviation
; 016 = Diagnostic Interference
022,4,Shut-Off Status,Climate Control,See Label File
; 001 = Launch Condition
; 002 = Shut-Off: Launch Condition
; 004 = Acceleration Condition
; 008 = Shut-Off: Acceleration Condition
; 016 = Shut-Off: Start Condition
; 032 = System Malfunction recognized
; 064 = Shut-Off: System Malfunction recognized
; 128 = Shut-Off: Idle Speed too Low
;
023,0,Injector Switch Time Deviation
023,1,Switch Time Deviat.,Cylinder 1,Specification: -150.0...+150.0 ms
023,2,Switch Time Deviat.,Cylinder 2,Specification: -150.0...+150.0 ms
023,3,Switch Time Deviat.,Cylinder 3,Specification: -150.0...+150.0 ms
023,4,Switch Time Deviat.,Cylinder 4,Specification: -150.0...+150.0 ms
;
025,1,Engine Speed,(G28),Specification (Idle): 810...940 RPM\nSpecification (Full Load): 2800...3200 RPM
;
026,0,Checksum
026,1,Checksum
;
028,0,Accelerator Pedal Position Sensor
028,1,Accel. Pedal Pos.,Sensor 1 (G79),0 % = 0.60...0.91 V\n100 % = 3.80...4.94 V
028,2,Accel. Pedal Pos.,Sensor 2 (G185),0 % = 0.30...0.45 V\n100 % = 1.90...2.58 V
028,3,Operation Status,,See Label File
; xxxxxxx1 = Climate Control ON
; xxxx1xxx = Idle Switch closed
; xxx1xxxx = Kick-Down (only Automatic Transmission)
; x1xxxxxx = Idle Speed raised
028,4,Accel. Pedal Pos.,Sensor 1 (G79),Range: 0.0...100.0 %\nSpecification (Idle): 0.0 %\nSpecification (Full Load): 99.0...100.0 %
;
029,0,Temperature and Oil Level Sensor (TOG)
029,1,Oil Temperature
029,2,Oil Level
029,3,Wear Index
029,4,Soot Index
;
051,0,Engine Speed Recognition
051,1,Engine Speed
051,2,Camshaft Speed,,Specification: Engine Speed/2 = ±50 U/min
051,3,Start,Synchronisation,See Label File
; 000 = Basic Initialisiation
; 001 = Counter Reset
; 002 = Engine Standstill OR Malfunction
; 003 = Transition States
; 004 = Plausibility Phase
; 005 = Plausibility Phase
; 006 = Plausibility Phase
; 008 = Plausibility Phase
; 016 = Phase Determination
; 028 = Redundant Start
; 032 = Synchronisation Phase
; 033 = System Positioning
; 048 = Sequential Counter activated
; 064 = System waiting for Engine Standstill
; 128 = Dynamic Plausibility
051,4,Shut-Off Status,Injection Sequence
;
062,0,Engine Cooling (Temperatures)
062,1,Coolant Temperat.,Engine Output,Specification: min. 75.0 °C
062,2,Coolant Temperat.,Cooler Output,Specification: min. 75.0 °C
062,3,Ambient,Temperature,Specification: -30.0...+50.0 °C
062,4,Intake Air,Temperature,Specification: 5.0...80.0 °C
;
063,0,Engine Cooling (Climate Control)
063,1,Refrigerant,Pressure,Specification (A/C OFF): 0.00...8.00 bar\nSpecification (A/C ON): 5.00...30.00 bar
063,2,Load Torque,,Specification (A/C OFF): 0 Nm\nSpecification (A/C ON): 2...10 Nm
063,3,Cooling Request
063,4,Shut-Off Status,Climate Control,See Label File
; 001 = Launch Condition
; 002 = Shut-Off: Launch Condition
; 004 = Acceleration Condition
; 008 = Shut-Off: Acceleration Condition
; 016 = Shut-Off: Start Condition
; 032 = System Malfunction recognized
; 064 = Shut-Off: System Malfunction recognized
; 128 = Shut-Off: Idle Speed too Low
;
064,0,Engine Cooling
064,1,Coolant,Temperature (G62),Range: -40.5...+135.0 °C\nSpecification (Warm): 80.0...110.0 °C
064,2,Coolant Temperat.,Cooler Output,Specification: min. 75.0 °C
064,3,Coolant Fan 1,Duty Cycle,Specification (Coolant Fan OFF): 8.0...9.0 %\nSpecification (Coolant Fan ON): 10.0...100.0 %
;
080,0,Advanced Control Module Identification I
;
081,0,Advanced Control Module Identification II
081,1,Vehicle Ident.,Number (VIN)
;
082,0,Advanced Control Module Identification III
;
086,0,EOBD
;
087,0,EOBD
;
090,0,EOBD/OBD-2 Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) I
090,1,Engine Speed,(G28),Specification (Idle): 810...940 RPM\nSpecification (Full Load): 2800...3200 RPM
090,2,Injection Quantity,,Specification (Idle): 3.0...9.0 mg/Str.\nSpecification (Full Load): 50.0...60.0 mg/Str.
090,3,Exhaust Gas,Recirculat. (spec.),Specification (Idle): 200.0...280.0 mg/Str.\nSpecification (Full Load): 800.0...950.0 mg/Str.
090,4,Status,Control Deviation
;
125,0,CAN-Databus Communication (Powertrain)
125,1,Transmission,,Range: Transm. 1/Transm. 0
125,2,Brake Electronics,,(J104),Range: ABS 1/ABS 0\nSpecification: ABS 1
125,3,Instrument Cluster,(J285),Range: Instruments 1/Instruments 0\nSpecification: Instruments 1
125,4,Airbag,(J234),Wertebereich: Airbag 1/Airbag 0\nSpecification: Airbag 1
;
126,0,CAN-Databus Communication (Powertrain)
126,1,Climate Control,(J255),Range: A/C 1/A/C 0
126,3,Central Electronic,(J519)
;
127,0,CAN-Databus Communication (Powertrain)
127,4,Steering Wheel,Electronics (J527),Range: St. Wheel 1/St. Wheel 0
;
128,0,CAN-Databus Communication (Powertrain)
128,1,CAN-Gateway,(J533),Range: Gateway 1/Gateway 0
;
225,0,CAN-Databus Timeout (Powertrain)
225,1,Transmission
225,2,Brake Electronics,,(J104)
225,3,Instrument Cluster,(J285)
225,4,Airbag,(J234)
;
226,0,CAN-Databus Timeout (Powertrain)
226,1,Climate Control,(J255)
226,3,Central Electronic,(J519)
;
227,0,CAN-Databus Timeout (Powertrain)
227,3,Steering Wheel,Electronics (J527)
;
228,0,CAN-Databus Timeout (Powertrain)
228,1,CAN-Gateway,(J533)

**Raffaele91 a3** · 07-12-2013, 01:37

alex ci 6?

**alex audi** · 07-12-2013, 08:07

sicuramente ci sarà una certa tolleranza,ma il valore preciso per una messa in fase precisa e di 0,5 torsen.
verificato su auto con distribuzione originale,ed anche su alcune che hanno fatto la distribuzione all'audi con gli appositi attrezzi per la messa in fase !

**Raffaele91 a3** · 07-12-2013, 17:21

Originariamente Scritto da alex audi

sicuramente ci sarà una certa tolleranza,ma il valore preciso per una messa in fase precisa e di 0,5 torsen.
verificato su auto con distribuzione originale,ed anche su alcune che hanno fatto la distribuzione all'audi con gli appositi attrezzi per la messa in fase !

ehhh alex io ho controllato stò a -5.9 a 819 giri cioè al minimo.....accellerando scende a -6.4......ti dico questo perchè la macchina e dà un pò di tempo che non và proprio.....bassi regimi inesistenti......velocità massima appena 200 quando prima arrivava anche a 225!

**alex audi** · 07-12-2013, 17:48

guarda controlla la distribuzione al più presto !

**Raffaele91 a3** · 08-12-2013, 13:40

ma a te hanno fatto la fase dinamica?? o la fase proprio del motore??

---------- Post added at 13.40.31 ---------- Previous post was at 13.38.46 ----------

Originariamente Scritto da alex audi

guarda controlla la distribuzione al più presto !

c'è tu hai avuto anche cali di prestazioni??