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[AleA3TDI]

Il torque pro non dà valori attendibili di picco del turbo anche a me originale dà circa 1.6 di max ma con il vag non arriva neanche a 1.2 con 1.1 fisso per calare a 0.8 circa a limitatore...domani vedrai con il vag che non hai quel picco...purtroppo mi son dovuto ricredere sul torque pro nei valori di picco non è attendibile l'altro gg con uno step1 ho visto 138 bar di rail max con il torque alquanto improbabile...facci sapere[COLOR="Silver"]

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[max.85]

controlla le pressioni benzina con il vag, la pressione della pompa di alta e la pressione della pompa dietro (credo codice canale 106 per l'alta pressiona e canale 103 per quella del serbatoio se non ricordo male) ...
io avevo un problema simile e dopo aver sostituito bicchierino e pompa alta con la serie K non è cambiato nulla, ho cambiato la pompa del serbatoio (quella dx che spinge al motore) ed ho risolto!

[blondgnek65]

Mm bene faro queste prove , che pressioni devono avere le due pompe ? Sempre con torque leggo anche a bassi giri valori intorno ai 110000 kPa
Saluti Nicola

[max.85]

eh questo non lo ricordo proprio scusami :-(

[blondgnek65]

forse ho trovato la risposta, tratto da ross-tech wiki

Checking Fuel Pressure
Prerequisites:
Ignition ON
Engine ON (Idle)
System voltage at least 11.0 V.
Coolant Temperature at least 80 °C

[Select]
[01 - Engine]
[Meas. Blocks - 08]
Group 103
[Go!]
Field 1: Fuel Pressure (Low), Specification: 2800...7200 mbar
Field 2: Fuel Pump Adaptation, Specification: -1000...+1000 %

Group 106
[Go!]
Field 2: Fuel Rail,Pressure (actual): 55% or below is normal at idle
55% to 60% is a gray area, it may be okay, but may indicate a problem
Above 60% implies there is a failure or restriction
Causes of low pressure can include kinks or restrictions in fuel lines
Fuel filter issues including restricted/clogged or incorrect part number
Failing lift pump in fuel tank. We have seen numerous cases of sub-standard quality "factory" replacements in "factory boxes" that were obtained from aftermarket sources and are not sourced from official dealers. This led to troubleshooting problems that were solved by installing correct factory parts. We encourage customers to only install lift pump and fuel filter sourced directly from a VW/Audi dealer.

Group 140
[Go!]
Field 3: Fuel Rail Pressure (High), Specification: 25.0...110.0 bar
Increase the Engine Speed while checking this value, the Pressure has to rise with the Engine Speed.
Group 230
[Go!]
Field 1: Specified Fuel Rail Pressure (High)
Field 2: Actual Fuel Rail Pressure (High), Specification: 25.0...110.0 bar
Field 3: Deviation between specified and actual fuel pressure, Specification: max. 5.0 bar
This video may be helpful:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jThQVzYFbVo


[Done, Go Back]
[Close Controller, Go Back - 06]

piu tardi se riesco controllo
saluti Nicola

[blondgnek65]

ho fatto un log dei canali 103,106 e 230, al 140 ci sono dati relativi al variatore di fase credo,
i valori mi sembrano in linea eccone alcuni

,Group A:,'103,,,,Group B:,'106,,,,Group C:,'230
,,Current,Fuel Pressure,Adaptation Value,Demand controlled,,Fuel Rail,Electrical,Electrical,Time,,Rail Pressure,Rail Pressure,Rail Pressure,
,TIME,Fuel Pressure,Regulator,elect. Fuel Pump,Fuel Pump Adapt.,TIME,Pressure,Fuel Pump 1,Fuel Pump 2,,TIME,(specified),(actual),Difference,
Marker,STAMP, bar,,,,STAMP, bar, %,, s,STAMP, bar, bar, bar,
,0.34,5.11,-338,463,ADP. O.K.,0.08,49.96,54.1, ,655.35,0.22,50.00,49.97,0.02,
,0.73,5.12,-339,462,ADP. O.K.,0.47,50.17,53.7, ,655.35,0.60,50.00,50.20,-0.21,
,1.11,5.13,-343,462,ADP. O.K.,0.86,50.20,53.7, ,655.35,0.99,50.00,50.00,-0.01,
,1.50,5.12,-346,462,ADP. O.K.,1.25,50.21,53.7, ,655.35,1.37,50.00,49.10,0.89,
,1.89,5.10,-345,462,ADP. O.K.,1.62,50.09,54.1, ,655.35,1.77,50.00,49.68,0.31,
,2.28,5.11,-343,462,ADP. O.K.,2.01,50.42,53.7, ,655.35,2.14,50.00,50.78,-0.79,
,2.65,5.12,-347,462,ADP. O.K.,2.40,50.32,53.7, ,655.35,2.53,50.00,50.09,-0.09,
,3.04,5.11,-342,462,ADP. O.K.,2.80,49.35,53.7, ,655.35,2.92,50.00,49.77,0.22,
,3.43,5.14,-319,461,ADP. O.K.,3.17,50.13,54.5, ,655.35,3.31,50.00,49.88,0.11,
,3.83,5.15,-312,461,ADP. O.K.,3.56,50.46,54.9, ,655.35,3.69,50.00,50.20,-0.20,
,4.20,5.06,-295,461,ADP. O.K.,3.95,47.90,56.1, ,655.35,4.08,50.00,48.54,1.46,
,4.59,4.99,-236,461,ADP. O.K.,4.34,50.22,56.5, ,655.35,4.47,50.00,50.17,-0.17,
,4.98,5.00,-162,461,ADP. O.K.,4.71,51.19,57.6, ,655.35,4.86,50.00,50.90,-0.91,
,5.37,5.07,-123,461,ADP. O.K.,5.10,49.43,57.3, ,655.35,5.23,50.00,49.59,0.41,
,5.74,5.11,-114,461,ADP. O.K.,5.49,49.61,56.5, ,655.35,5.62,50.00,49.35,0.65,
,6.13,5.11,-119,461,ADP. O.K.,5.88,47.52,56.5, ,655.35,6.01,50.00,51.51,-1.51,
,6.52,5.12,-118,461,ADP. O.K.,6.26,50.69,56.9, ,655.35,6.40,50.00,50.44,-0.45,
,6.91,5.18,-116,461,ADP. O.K.,6.65,49.71,56.5, ,655.35,6.77,50.00,50.17,-0.18,
,7.29,5.26,-135,461,ADP. O.K.,7.04,50.45,56.9, ,655.35,7.17,50.00,50.31,-0.31,
,7.68,5.31,-182,461,ADP. O.K.,7.43,50.45,55.7, ,655.35,7.55,50.00,50.83,-0.83,
,8.07,5.33,-239,461,ADP. O.K.,7.80,50.52,55.3, ,655.35,7.94,50.00,49.16,0.83,
,8.46,5.30,-295,461,ADP. O.K.,8.19,48.92,54.5, ,655.35,8.31,50.00,48.87,1.12,
,8.83,5.17,-317,461,ADP. O.K.,8.58,51.15,53.7, ,655.35,8.70,50.00,53.31,-3.32,
,9.22,5.21,-318,461,ADP. O.K.,8.98,52.67,55.3, ,655.35,9.10,50.00,52.28,-2.28,
,9.61,5.30,-361,461,ADP. O.K.,9.35,48.95,53.7, ,655.35,9.49,50.00,49.01,0.99,
,10.00,5.21,-408,461,ADP. O.K.,9.73,48.74,52.9, ,655.35,9.86,50.00,48.26,1.74,
,10.38,5.06,-390,461,ADP. O.K.,10.12,48.98,54.1, ,655.35,10.25,50.00,48.42,1.58,
,10.77,5.00,-304,461,ADP. O.K.,10.52,49.59,55.7, ,655.35,10.64,50.00,50.87,-0.88,
,11.16,5.07,-250,461,ADP. O.K.,10.89,51.91,55.7, ,655.35,11.03,50.00,50.90,-0.91,
,11.55,5.02,-218,461,ADP. O.K.,11.28,49.28,56.9, ,655.35,11.40,50.44,49.22,1.21,
,11.92,4.98,-151,461,ADP. O.K.,11.67,51.22,57.3, ,655.35,11.79,52.92,53.83,-0.91,
,12.31,4.97,-74,461,ADP. O.K.,12.06,55.83,58.4, ,655.35,12.18,56.72,57.12,-0.40,
,12.70,4.94,20,461,ADP. O.K.,12.44,59.69,59.6, ,655.35,12.58,61.39,61.19,0.20,
,13.09,4.90,126,461,ADP. O.K.,12.83,64.48,61.6, ,655.35,12.95,66.42,66.35,0.06,
,13.46,4.86,261,461,ADP. O.K.,13.22,71.98,66.3, ,655.35,13.34,72.85,72.23,0.62,
,13.85,4.85,403,461,ADP. O.K.,13.61,77.42,72.5, ,655.35,13.73,79.75,78.00,1.75,
,14.25,4.89,559,461,ADP. O.K.,13.98,80.49,84.7, ,655.35,14.12,82.26,84.10,-1.84,
,14.64,5.73,570,461,ADP. O.K.,14.37,86.13,51.0, ,655.35,14.50,85.98,85.98,0.00,
,15.01,6.28,570,461,ADP. O.K.,14.76,85.85,38.0, ,655.35,14.88,85.77,85.77,0.00,
,15.40,6.60,570,461,ADP. O.K.,15.15,85.60,29.0, ,655.35,15.28,85.53,85.53,0.00,
,15.79,6.79,570,461,ADP. O.K.,15.52,85.47,27.5, ,655.35,15.67,85.44,85.44,0.00,
,16.18,6.92,570,461,ADP. O.K.,15.91,85.35,26.7, ,655.35,16.04,85.32,85.32,0.00,
,16.56,7.00,570,461,ADP. O.K.,16.30,85.24,24.7, ,655.35,16.43,85.24,85.24,0.00,
,16.95,7.04,171,461,ADP. O.K.,16.69,85.11,23.1, ,655.35,16.82,83.27,84.27,-1.01,
,17.34,6.88,-559,461,ADP. O.K.,17.07,81.10,27.5, ,655.35,17.21,81.39,81.26,0.13,
,17.73,6.54,-1225,461,ADP. O.K.,17.46,79.86,27.1, ,655.35,17.59,79.46,79.78,-0.33,
,18.10,5.93,-1657,461,ADP. O.K.,17.85,77.27,34.5, ,655.35,17.97,80.02,79.69,0.33,
,18.49,4.96,-1802,461,ADP. O.K.,18.24,85.36,42.7, ,655.35,18.36,82.06,83.13,-1.07,
,18.88,4.34,-1541,461,ADP. O.K.,18.61,80.12,46.3, ,655.35,18.76,78.32,78.34,-0.02,
,19.27,4.18,-1040,461,ADP. O.K.,19.00,75.45,55.7, ,655.35,19.13,78.81,76.90,1.91,
,19.64,4.30,-596,461,ADP. O.K.,19.39,85.47,63.1, ,655.35,19.52,87.99,88.69,-0.70,
,20.03,4.45,-227,461,ADP. O.K.,19.79,94.99,67.5, ,655.35,19.90,97.05,96.16,0.89,
,20.42,4.44,76,461,ADP. O.K.,20.16,101.02,73.7, ,655.35,20.30,104.94,103.41,1.53,
,20.81,4.50,394,461,ADP. O.K.,20.55,105.41,91.0, ,655.35,20.67,108.90,109.11,-0.21,
,21.18,5.25,449,461,ADP. O.K.,20.94,105.01,52.5, ,655.35,21.06,104.64,104.64,0.00,
,21.58,5.93,449,461,ADP. O.K.,21.33,104.40,42.4, ,655.35,21.45,104.37,104.37,0.00,
,21.97,6.38,449,461,ADP. O.K.,21.70,104.19,32.5, ,655.35,21.84,104.15,104.15,0.00,
,22.36,6.67,449,461,ADP. O.K.,22.09,104.07,27.5, ,655.35,22.21,103.95,103.95,0.00,
,22.73,6.81,269,461,ADP. O.K.,22.48,103.90,26.3, ,655.35,22.61,103.87,103.87,0.00,
,23.12,6.33,-400,461,ADP. O.K.,22.87,101.75,38.8, ,655.35,22.99,106.04,105.34,0.70,
,23.51,5.12,-653,461,ADP. O.K.,23.25,109.94,51.4, ,655.35,23.39,109.51,109.78,-0.27,


sopratutto i valori comandati ed effettivi di alta pressione mi smbrano attendibili o sbaglio?
saluti Nicola

[blondgnek65]

Che pollo che sono forse ho trovato il problema .
Il vuoto si è accentuato e è diventato un seghettamento schiacciando a fondo intorno ai 2500 3000 giri la cosa curiosa che non viene rilevata nessuna anomalia ,e quindi avevo scartato a priori l'opzione mancata accensione , e invece andando a controllare sui canali 15 e 16 ecco comparire qualche missfire su cilindro 4, per scrupolo inverto le bobine esterne e ecco il missfire su cilindro 1, bene sono rincuorato se il problema è solo una bobina a breve dovrebbero arrivarmi quelle r8 e la cosa dovrebbe essere risolta.
Saluti Nicola

[blondgnek65]

problema risolto sono arrivate giusto in tempo le bobine r8, montate e provate tutto a posto





per concludere il buon lavoro, ho poi deciso di chiudere il telefono in mezzo al cofano motore preciso preciso dove c'è il gancio di chiusura, questo è stato il risultato.



saluti Nicola

[Massi T5]

ahahahahha!! nicola, non me ne volere, ma quando ho letto del cell sono scoppiato a ridere! che sfiga!!!
vabbè dai, l'importante è che l'essona sia tornata al 100%! :)

[max.85]

noooo ma dai :-O ...non so se dire per fortuna era solo la bobina o che sfiga per il telefono...